בוש by רטס'ג ןומייס 10:47am Wed Aug 20 '03 symon_jester@lycos.com ריש print article םובה עמשנ בוש ןשיה רכומה וכיה תוומה ידלי ןנאש בוחרב רוהיטה ידלי רורחשה ןוסאה שרוגמה ידלי רובשה הכומה ללחה ידלי לפנו ןיגפהש םייוניע ידלי למשחו םיפורגא םימכסה ידלי תורושו םילמ םימוסחמ תוקולח תורדגו תואטג םירעפנ םהיעצפ ךידלי ףוגב תאלימש תודוקפה ךינב לע תודקפנ הנגמ אל הנגמ בושח אל ללכב הז תערזש תוומה בושי ךילא symon_jester.tripod.com add your comments

םישקשקמ בוש by רוד 11:35am Wed Aug 20 '03 print comment םישקשוקמ םישוקשק םישקשקמ בוש רבד לכב לארשי תא םימישאמ בוש .דבלב םיקידצ םיאניטסלפה בוש עשפמ םיפחב םיעגופ בוש ויהי אל םהו אבצב ויה אל םהירוהש םידליב םיעגופ בוש אבצב ותמשנב דבלב םידוהי תאנשש לוונמ תכיתח בוש .םימימת םידלי לע ץצופתמ םירחאו הידמידניא יקידצ בוש .תויופצה האנשה תובוגת תא םיאיצומ הזה סובוטואב עסנ אל רטס'ג ןומייסש לבח בושו add your comments

The Germans by Shlomo 11:41am Wed Aug 20 '03 print comment A blueprint for international instability, By Shlomo Avineri July 17, 2003 The atmosphere could not have been more tranquil: a former royal castle in the rolling hills of the Taunus region near Frankfurt, hosting an annual meeting, sponsored by a German foundation, of statesmen and politicians dealing with Middle Eastern problems. Europeans and Americans, Israelis and Iranians, Egyptians and Turks, Palestinians and Tunisians rubbed shoulders. The Middle East road map, was naturally at the center of attention, and were most knowingly addressed on the opening night by a senior German government minister, himself deeply involved in Middle Eastern affairs, with great sensitivity to Israeli as well as Palestinian concerns. The evening proceeded along the expected trajectory, until a Lebanese academic raised the issue of the right of Palestinian refugees to return to Israel. The senior German minister listened attentively, and then said: "This is an issue with which we in Germany are familiar; may I ask my German colleagues in the audience to raise their hand if they, or their families, were refugees from Eastern Europe?" There was a moment of silence - the issue is embarrassing in Germany, fraught with political and moral landmines. Slowly, hands were raised: by my count, more than half the Germans present (government officials, journalists, businessmen) raised a hand: they, or their families, had been Vertriebene, expelled from their ancestral homes in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Yugoslavia after World War II. It is estimated that up to 10 million were expelled; with their descendants today they make up almost double that number - almost one in four Germans. Amid the hush the German senior minister continued: He himself was born in Eastern Europe and his family was expelled in the wake of the anti-German atmosphere after 1945. "But," he added, "neither I nor any of my colleagues claim the right to go back. "It is precisely because of that that I can now visit my ancestral hometown and talk to the people who live in the house in which I was born - because they do not feel threatened, because they know I don't want to displace them or take their house." The minister went on to explain that peace in Europe is today embedded in this realization. Had Eastern European countries thought that millions of ethnic Germans would like to return, "the Iron Curtain would have never come down." It was a highly emotional response, one that Arab representatives chose later on to ignore. But it was just one more expression of the context in which the issue of the 1948 Palestinian refugees has to be addressed. As the German senior minister reminded the audience, there are numerous parallels in recent history to the Palestinian refugee problem. Anyone who now argues that the 1948 Palestinian refugees have a claim, in principle, to return to Israel, has to confront the question: Why not the millions of German post-1945 expellees from Eastern Europe? The German minister supplied the answer. Moreover: Had a German government insisted in talks about reunification in 1990 that all German expellees from Poland and Czechoslovakia have, in principle, a right to return to these countries, it would have been clear that what West Germany had in mind was not reunification, but undoing the consequences of Nazi Germany's defeat in 1945. This is exactly the meaning of the Palestinian demand for the right of return. The Palestinians' insistence on it at Camp David and Taba in 2000 made clear to most Israelis that what they have in mind is not undoing the consequences of 1967 - but undoing the consequences of their defeat in 1948. At that time, it should be recalled, Palestinian Arabs and four Arab members of the UN went to war - not only against Israel, but against international legitimacy and the UN plan for a two-state solution. There is no other example of member countries going to war against UN decisions; this is what the Arab countries - and the Palestinians - did. Obviously they prefer to forget it. Clearly there is a serious humanitarian issue involved. That the Palestinians' plight has been compounded by Arab use of the refugees as political pawns for half a century is a measure of the cynicism and immorality of Arab politics. Nonetheless, the humanitarian issue remains - and the German senior minister referred to it explicitly, both with regard to the Palestinians and to the German expellees. But for him the political consequences were clear: A return of refugees - in the German as well as the Palestinian case - is a call for instability, if not war. The author is professor of political science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. add your comments

Very interesting by yoram 12:19pm Wed Aug 20 '03 print comment It seems like the only people in the world that accept the analogy between palestinians Right of return and the geramn one are israelies and germans... germans, which are mostly known as the agressors in World-War-2 can get some simpathy as people who where expelled and do not demand there homes back. no matter that they where expeled to there homeland, a rich country that could take care of them, and it was the smallest crime of world-war-2, and the only one against germans. Israelis like this analogy because it puts the palestinians in the place of the nazies, turning the hall conflict in palestine upside-down and let's israelis feel victims again. instad of refugees problem treated as what it is: the main issue of a conflict created by zionist colonialism and ethnic cleansing, it is displayed as side-effect of war started by palestinian agressors, something to forgive and forget... well, it is not going to happen, palestinians know and remember, decent people all-over the world know and remember and ethnic cleansing will not be perpetuate be the country that made it. add your comments

On this debate by Yossi Schwartz 1:04pm Wed Aug 20 '03 print comment Last night a criminal horrible suicide bomb exploded on bus no.2 in the heart of an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of Jerusalem and took the lives of 20 innocent Israelis and injured over 100. This act of insane violence should be condemn by the entire working class movement around the world . Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. Hamas in Hebron released a videotape showing a man who named himself as Raed Abdel-Hamid Masq and said he would carry out the suicide bombing to avenge Israel's killing of one of the assassination of one of group's members. Masq was a Hamas militant in Hebron, a teacher with a family who also served as an imam at one of the city's mosques. Hamas said the terrorist act was in response to the deaths of three of its activists during an IDF raid in Nablus. Islamic Jihad had vowed revenge for the August killing of its senior official Mohammed Sidr in Hebron. Thus what we face is state terror followed by individual terror and the insane circle of blood continues on and on and the victims are innocent people. As the Marxist warned the “road map” and the cease fire would not bring the Palestinians and the Israelis masses nothing but suffering and it can not but collapse like all other similar imperialist plans aiming at stabilization of the oppression. The aim of the cease fire was not to create conditions for peace among the Palestinians and the Israelis’ workers and poor, but to force a civil war between the PLO and the fundamentalist organizations. The Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas that was chosen for this job by the US and Israel simply can not deliver his promise to smash to Islamic armed opposition because as he explained many times, Israel does not provide him with the tools to oppress his own people. From the very beginning the government of Israel led by Sharon the butcher of Kibia and Sabrea and Shatila, did not want this cease fire, nor the “road map”, but was forced to accept them under the pressure of Bush. From the very beginning he tried to derail the cease fire by acts of state terror, by a policy of assassinations aimed at provoking the Islamic terrorists organizations to carry out terrorist actions against innocent Israeli civilians. Sharon aim is not only to terrorize the Palestinian populations under the occupation by collective punishments but to destroy the “Palestinian Authority”. In a desperate attempt to save himself by appealing to Bush and promising that he will crack down on the Islamic organizations , Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas condemned the suicide bombing and decided early Wednesday to cut off connections with Hamas and Islamic Jihad. An unnamed Senior security official said that:. "It holds them responsible for harming the higher national interest of the Palestinian people. Soon the Palestinian Authority will take security measures against Hamas and Islamic Jihad members." The US that is responsible in so many ways for the situation in its typical hypocritical way also condemned the attack, and urged the Palestinians to dismantle the terrorist organizations. "We condemn this act of terrorism in the strongest possible terms," White House spokesman Sean McCormack said. "Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims and the victims." The other imperialist followed the same statement. The European Union's top foreign policy representative, Javier Solana, condemned the bombing and urged all sides to "to exert maximum influence on armed groups to stop all attacks." United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan who legitimize the US occupation and robbery of Iraq , an organization that do nothing against the repression of the Palestinians by Israel for so many years, condemned the suicide bombing, calling it a totally reprehensible terrorist attack, and extended his condolences to the families of the Victims. Annan urged Abbas to "take decisive action" to arrest the instigators of the attack and prevent future violence. He also called on Israel to "act with restraint in the face of this provocation, and not to contribute to renewed cycle of violence and revenge. While condemning the terrorist acts we should not forget for a moment that the swamp on which individual terror has grown is the oppression of the Palestinians for so many years. Israel itself in so many ways is the creation of the imperialists who used the suffering of the Jews in order to use them to control the Middle East. The imperialists did not want to save the Jews from the Nazis' horrible crime against the Jews, they could open the gates and allowed the Jews to escape mass deaths. They wanted to create a military outfit by creating Israel. They divided the country in 1947, like they did in India and in Cyprus in order to force national hatred. They allowed Israel to annexed Jerusalem, build Jewish settlements put total curfews starve the Palestinians and destroy their homes. They created together with Israel the conditions on which Palestinians terror is growing. The Islamic organizations have been growing not only because of rulers of Israel that heavily supported them in the 1970’s but because of the betrayals of the PLO that in the 1960’s bragged about the liberation of Palestinians by military means that turned out to be mostly acts of terror, but because the same gentlemen have been acting openly since 1983 as agents of the US and Israel. The Marxists have always said that there is no solution to the problems the capitalists created in the frame work of decaying capitalist world system. The democratic tasks like the national questions are falling on the shoulders of the working class. Only the united Jewish Arab working class revolutionary struggle leading to a socialist society can get us out of the hell of the capitalist system. The solution that will end the state terror as well as the insane individual terror is a federated socialist state within the frame work of a socialist federation of the Middle East. Only such a solution will solve the questions of the right of the self determination for the Palestinians including the rights of the refugees to return to their home land. while not necessary to their old houses .Unlike paid intellectual for hire like S. Avenri who tries to justify the crimes against the Palestinians on the ground that others did the same we ask what kind of a defense it is to a criminal charge of rape :”But your honor others raped this women as well. Only in such a state the Israelis will live not as an oppressor nation dying of terror and counter terror but as brothers and sisters of the Palestinians where both will have equal rights. Only such a system will provide good living to all, in a nationalized and planned economy under democratic control of the workers themselves. It must be part of the socialist federation of the Middle East as only the united power of all the masses led by the workers will be able to oppose the counterrevolutionary forces of imperialism and its capitalist allies in the region. It must be part of the world socialist revolution ,otherwise it will be degenerated as happened to the October Revolution in Russia . Mean time we can learn some thing else from the experience of the working class led by the Bolsheviks prior to the revolution. Against the pogroms that the Russian government organized against the Jews, the Bolsheviks organized workers militias that defended the Jews. This was in total opposition to Hertzel who after the pogrom of Keshniev made deals with the Tsar’s Minister of interior who organized the pogrom, to release money for the Zionist project in Palestine and promised to help the Russian government to influence the Jews not to struggle against the Tsar. Was there a Marxist party in Israel of Arab and Jewish workers such militias would be organized defending the Jewish neighborhoods and the Palestinians neighborhoods from State’s terror and Individual terror. add your comments