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The reason for tonights bombing Latin
by Daniella 1:11am Wed Aug 20 '03

The bombing did not occur because Israel is building a fence, nor did it really occur because Israel killed an Islamic Jihad leader.
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Unfortunately this evening there was a tremendous suicide bombing by Hammas in Jerusalem.

This occurred while Abu Mazen was
negotiating with them about extending the Hudna. About 20 people are dead (including children and babies) and a 170 wounded.

The bombing did not occur because Israel is building a fence, nor
did it really occur because Israel killed an Islamic Jihad leader.

It occurred because Israel was going to hand over more territory to the PNA, which would be a success for the moderates and the peace process, and a failure for Islamic Jihad and the fanatix.

The bombing (and it will probably not be the last) will make it much more
difficult for the Israeli gov't to make concessions.

It is clear that Abu-Mazen will need to take some action against Islamic
Jihad, both because of Israeli/US pressure and because of the challenge
offered to his leadership.

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From Ha'aretz Latin
by Ha'aretz 1:36am Wed Aug 20 '03

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Islamic Jihad had vowed revenge for the August
14 killing of its senior official Mohammed Sidr
during an IDF attempt to arrest him in the West
Bank city of Hebron.

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But it was Hammas Latin
by Daniella 1:46am Wed Aug 20 '03

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Such action takes planning and preparation.

It has been in the works even before the Hebron action

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New York Times says Latin
by NY Times 1:56am Wed Aug 20 '03

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Over the weekend, Israel and the Palestinians had reached agreement on the handover of four West Bank towns to Palestinian control. The explosion today occurred as Mr. Abbas was meeting with Islamic militants in the Gaza Strip to persuade them to halt attacks on Israelis.

At the end of June, major Palestinian militant groups declared that they would suspend attacks against Israelis for at least three months. But Israel never formally recognized the truce, even though it acknowledged its utility in advancing the road map plan proposed by the United States, the United Nations, the European Union and Russia.

By early August, the cease-fire, which coincided with summer vacations, appeared to be largely holding. But after Israel renewed raids on Palestinian cities in a search for wanted men and their weapons - citing the Palestinian Authority's unwillingness to do so - Palestinian militants warned of retaliation.

Israel had pressed to have the Palestinian Authority arrest the suspects, but Mr. Abbas resisted, fearing such action would provoke civil war within the Palestinian camp.

The militants regard the Israeli raids as a provocation to strike back despite their declared cease-fire. Islamic Jihad promised on its Web site last week to take action that would register like ``an earthquake in the heart of Zionist entity.''

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Daniella, are you pro-Hisulim? Latin
by Wondering? 2:10am Wed Aug 20 '03

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You think this would have occured if there weren't the incursions and hisulim in the past weeks?

I agree with you that Hamas and Jihad just look for excuses, but I am also sure that the Army and government consciously provoke these attacks by incursions and hisulim. The Government purposefully gives them the excuse.

Sharon didn't want the Hudna to last. It would have eventually led to pressure on Israel for concessions.

Can you agree that is the case?

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To Mr. "Wondering" Latin
by AMR 2:29am Wed Aug 20 '03

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For you jugment....

Since the Hudna opened:

More then 200 terror attacks by Palestinian terrorists on Israel

More then 10 Israeli civilians Kiled due to those terror attacks

Al that BEFORE the Hisulim !!!!!!!

How do you call that, a kindergarten celebration or what?

Then again, are you able for independent jugment based on facts and truth?

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.... Ok, Not Hisulim,,, so what is the solution, Ha? Latin
by AMR 2:34am Wed Aug 20 '03

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If I knew that by not responding to the terrible terror act of Jerusalem Aug. 19 2003 the circle of violence will be ended I would say LOUDLY:

“ Do not retaliate, do not respond to the terror event, let call the victims = the peace victims – and lets end the violence once and for all”

It is my personal opinion; I can not and should not talk on behalf of the victims or their relatives. I am sure that they will not accept my opinion, and I can not blame them for that.

In addition, we have been in this scenario too many times already.

Is somebody sincerely believed that by not retaliating we will end the violence?

Have we forgotten the opening of the Hudna when Israeli citizens murdered without any “Provocation”, “Retaliation” and other vegetables?

Being frightened and helpless like you are is gravely dangerous.

Take some deep breath and start activating the “gray staff” up there.

Put it well into you head,,,we have no other chouce…

We accepted the Hudna

We started dismantling the road blocks

We returned Palestinians cities to them and intended to proceed

We have initiated new rules that easing the pressures on the Palestinian population

We have released Palestinian prisoners

We are in the beginning of the process and faithfully intended to carry it further, much farther.

We have accepted the road map

…and the list could go on and on….


Now, what we have got…..

More then 200 terror acts

More then 30 Israeli citizens killed

Regrouping of the terror organizations

….and the list could go on and on….

Much arms that streaming to the terror organization for the day the Hudna will end.


I would like to think that you guys are intelligent people; you tell me what your solution is…

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The criminals are on both sides Latin
by Daniella 3:17am Wed Aug 20 '03

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Q: Daniella, are you pro-Hisulim?

Answer: I am not for Hisulim. (*)


Q: You think this would have occurred if there weren't the incursions and hisulim in the past weeks?

A: How do I know? I am just a retired ordinary bicycle thief.

I think such actions take planning and preparation so they have been in the works for some time now. Could it be that everything is ready and waiting to go as soon as Israel does something? Possible, but as possible that it would occur anyhow.

I do not think it matters. This is a war crime from the worse kind. No excuses for it. Not HIsulim, not arrests. Such act is a war crime collective punishment toward the Jewish people and it is time that the Palestinian side will understand what terrible karma they take upon themselves by not putting an end to it.



Q: I agree with you that Hamas and Jihad just look for excuses, but I am also sure that the Army and government consciously provoke these attacks by incursions and hisulim. The Government purposefully gives them the excuse.

A: You may be right but it could be that these attacks would occur anyhow. Is it possible that this attack was already planned and the hisul/arrest attempt in Hebron was trying to prevent it. It is possible but it does not matter. Isarel must end the occupation and everything associated with it (Hisulim, settlements etc...) but Palestinians must stop the terror if they want the Israeli public to pressure the government to end the occupation.

Occupation and terror feeds each other but Israelis FEAR that terror will continue even if occupation will stop. There are so many Palestinians who see Israel - as a whole - as occupied territory (See Hammas web sites, see Sa’at speech in Lebanon) – this leads many Israelis to say: “Why should we give them a part of the land if they want it all.”

Q: Sharon didn't want the Hudna to last. It would have eventually led to pressure on Israel for concessions.

A: Sure. But the way to pressure Sharon is to stop the terror not play into his hands.

The only way out if for the Palestinians to stop the terror, declare what it is they really want and come with this message to the Israeli public. The Israeli public, after some time without terror will do the same – I think this is what Nusseiba and Ayalon are trying to do – to infulance from within in a non-violent way.


(*) don't ask what I would do if I see a person that is about to kill himself and in the process kill innocent people with him - I do not know how I would try to prevent this. What would you do ?

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There were suicide bombing a month before Hisulim Latin
by Daniella 3:24am Wed Aug 20 '03

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7-10-03

In an exclusive telephone interview, Bessam Sa’Adi, Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin told the Jerusalem Post that terror attacks will resume, because he claimed Israel has not kept its side of the bargain. "Since Israel has not kept the Hudna, Islamic Jihad and Hamas therefore cannot sit by and maintain the cease-fire, the attacks will resume," he said. Sa'adi has been in hiding for months, rarely sleeping in the same place two nights in a row.

Sa'adi's Jenin terror cell claimed responsibility for Monday night's suicide bombing at Moshav Kfar Yabetz, which killed Mazal Afari, 64. The bomber who died in the blast was Ahmed Yihye, 22, from a village near Jenin.

Israel's refusal to free Islamic Jihad and Hamas prisoners, said Sa'adi, is the catalyst that drove the group to resume attacks, not the IDF's continued hunt for terrorists.

Israel's refusal to free Islamic Jihad and Hamas prisoners, said Sa'adi, is the catalyst that drove the group to resume attacks, not the IDF's continued hunt for terrorists.

Israel's refusal to free Islamic Jihad and Hamas prisoners, said Sa'adi, is the catalyst that drove the group to resume attacks, not the IDF's continued hunt for terrorists.
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But it was the hammas Latin
by Does the mossad run Hammas as well ? 3:38am Wed Aug 20 '03

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maybe the mossad also control Arrafat, Sadam Hussain and Hitler ?

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. Latin
by > 3:51am Wed Aug 20 '03

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who knows...
the bottom line is that the powers that be need the smoke screen of war to get away with what they could not get away during peace.

the powers that be play the 'bad cop-good cop' game.

The players on the iternational political scale play the game of insurance fraud.

For instance, if your insurance company guaranteed you billions of dollars if your house ever burned down you would be inclined to hire an arsonist to set the place on fire

once your house is gone, you and the arsonistshare the spoils.
500,000,000 for each.

for the untrained eye, you would appear as the victim of the who scenario, however, for the trained eye it is obvious that it was in your own interest to set your house on fire to later collect the damages.

Apply the above to the war mongers and you will finally comprehend the true cause of the turmoil in your sorrounding.

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Anti-semitism : Loud abd clear Latin
by Daniella 7:20am Wed Aug 20 '03

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Previous comment was:

"for the untrained eye, you would appear as the victim of the who scenario, however, for the trained eye it is obvious that it was in your own interest to set your house on fire to later collect the damages. "

What is at the root of it is that all jews are this one entity - like ants they can scarifizetheir children for control- this is what you mean so why don'y you say it out loud and clear.

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just wonderin> Hebrew
by smarts 11:33am Wed Aug 20 '03

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daniela why dont you put words in the person above
you's mouth?


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