"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

Well, not quite. many of these "quotes" are not exactly quotes. The above "quote", from the NYT historical index actually is "We say to them from the heights of this mountain and from the perspective of thousands of years of history that they are like grasshopers compared to us" And he said this to reporters, not "settlers".

Why are 18 year old misquotes considered "news" anyway?

Many of the other "quotes" are from books that have never been published, or from journals so improperly cited as to be un verifiable. That level of "scholarship" (using that term lightly) casts strong doubts on the veracity of the entire post.

"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

The context of this quote has little to do with the article. The Shipler article is about Arab schoolgirls getting ill. There is a cite to Meir Cohen- saying he felt Israel made a grave mistake not expelling the 200,000 palestinianians in the West bank in 1967 (there were only 200,000? Thats not what you'd believe from reading Indy Bay). No Yitchak Rabin quote...the only thing re: ethnic cleansing was a lone voice saying "we shoulda...")

Stop me before I dissect any more of this trash....must get a life....ignore the haters.....

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

Well, not quite. many of these "quotes" are not exactly quotes. The above "quote", from the NYT historical index actually is "We say to them from the heights of this mountain and from the perspective of thousands of years of history that they are like grasshopers compared to us" And he said this to reporters, not "settlers".

Why are 18 year old misquotes considered "news" anyway?

Many of the other "quotes" are from books that have never been published, or from journals so improperly cited as to be un verifiable. That level of "scholarship" (using that term lightly) casts strong doubts on the veracity of the entire post.
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"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

The context of this quote has little to do with the article. The Shipler article is about Arab schoolgirls getting ill. There is a cite to Meir Cohen- saying he felt Israel made a grave mistake not expelling the 200,000 palestinianians in the West bank in 1967 (there were only 200,000? Thats not what you'd believe from reading Indymedia). No Yitchak Rabin quote...the only thing re: ethnic cleansing was a lone voice saying "we shoulda...")

Stop me before I dissect any more of this trash....must get a life....ignore the haters.....

Please link to your source, if you have one.

I went to the Historical Index of the New York Times- all libraries have them and went straight to the sources quoted. The NYT quotes are all frauds.
You can do it too- anyone could.
Many of the quotes from books are fraudulent as well.

In other words ... we're supposed to take your word for it?

Ya. Right.

I went to the Historical Index of the New York Times- all libraries have them and went straight to the sources quoted. The NYT quotes are all frauds.
You can do it too- anyone could.

You can look it up yourself, too.
Go to the Library. Ask the friendly neighborhood librarian for the New York Times Historical index.
And then you can see for yourself.

In other words, you can't refute these.

This exposes the hatred underlying your presence here.

The Ten Plagues of Zionism
http://desertpeace.blogspot.com/2007/11/ten-plagues-of-zionism.html

I guess the Plant doesn't know the definition of "refute", nor can it supports its distraction/lie.

In 1938 our warrior poet Hannah Szenes wrote in her diary “I’ve become a Zionist. This word stands for a tremendous number of things. To me it means, in short, that I now consciously and strongly feel I am a Jew, and am proud of it".
Zionism is love of Zion, and the belief that the Jewish people should have self determination in our ancient homeland. I am a Zionist.

According to an apologist for Zionist Extremism ... Only one?

Exposing False Zionist Quotes II (Quote Busters II)

October 4, 2004

* MIFTAH (The Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy), an organization under the helm of Hanan Ashrawi, aims to “increase global awareness and knowledge of Palestinian realities by providing reliable, accurate and comprehensive information, policy analysis, strategic briefings and position papers.” [emphasis added] To that stated end, the organization dispenses information on its Web site, among which are quotes attributed to Zionist leaders under the heading “Memorable Quotes.”

* Media Monitors describes itself as “a non-profit, non-bias [sic] and non-political platform which mainly helps to prevail the whole truth and generally facilitate answers to any disputed, controversial topic being broadcast, web cast, published, distributed or telecast in the world media.” It calls upon journalists, editors, writers, reporters, researchers, columnists, content providers, etc. to join the organziation “to counter information warfare and fabricated propaganda in the world media.” An article on its Web site entitled “Apartheid in the Holy Land: Racism in the Zionist State of Israel” is filled with racist quotes by Zionist leaders.

* British journalist Robert Fisk, known for his virulent anti-Israel sentiment, wrote a column for The Independent in April 2001 entitled: “When Journalists Refuse to Tell the Truth About Israel.” Suggesting that journalists fear being “slandered” as anti-Semites, he accuses them of covering up Israel’s supposed guilt thus “abetting terrible deeds in the Middle East.” Of the “truths” journalists are being censured for refusing to tell are several contemptuous quotes attributed to Israel’s leaders.

All of the above rally against those who hide the truth or fabricate propaganda, while puporting to reveal the hidden facts. Their hypocrisy is mind-boggling as they disseminate “truths” that are anything but that.

In Part I of our series on misquotes, we showed how the attribution of invidious statements to Israel’s leaders has become a popular stratagem among Israel’s enemies, with many quotes fabricated, taken out of context or otherwise manipulated to present a distorted, negative view of Zionist intentions and actions. Part II will examine some of the misquotes presented by self-proclaimed purveyors of truth.

MIFTAH (www.miftah.org)

Of the “memorable quotes” featured on MIFTAH’s Web site (some of which have already been debunked in Part I), the following is attributed to one Chairman Heilbrun:

We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.

Source given: Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983

Investigation: The quote is found on numerous anti-Israel sites, in addition to MIFTAH’s, but the facts do not check out. While Shlomo Lahat was indeed re-elected as mayor of Tel Aviv in 1983, no record was found of any “Chairman Heilbrun.” The quote was traced to a 1988 book, The Hidden History of Zionism, by radical Marxist Ralph Schoenman (dismissed by mainstream historians as a crazed conspiracy theorist), and is one of many bogus quotes in the book attributed to Israeli leaders. According to Schoenman’s footnote, the quote by Heilbrun was hearsay relayed to him in private conversations:

Cited by Fouzi El-Asmar and Salih Baransi during discussions with the author, October 1983

Needless to say, Schoenman’s scholarship, upon which many anti-Israel Web sites depend, leaves much wanting. CAMERA contacted former Mayor Lahat who attested that he has never employed, known or heard of any such person as “Chairman Heilbrun,” and that the reported incident never took place. Lahat also emphasized that he would never allow any of his employees to make such statements, as it completely contradicts his own sentiments about Palestinians.

Summary: Fabricated quote, fabricated source

Media Monitors (http://www.mediamonitors.net)

An article archived on the Media Monitors Web site is filled with questionable assertions and bogus quotes (some of which were debunked in Part I.) The following quote (which also appears on the MIFTAH Web site) was attributed to Israeli Northern District Commissioner Israel Koenig, supposedly from his controversial report on Israeli Arabs in Galilee:

We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.

Source given: Cited in Lustick, Ian, Arabs in the Jewish State, University of Texas Press, Texas, 1980.

Investigation: Neither the source given (Ian Lustick's Arabs in the Jewish State) nor the actual report itself contains any mention of "terror, assassination, intimidation or land confiscation".

The Koenig Report or “memorandum” as it is sometimes referred to, was a private document of recommendations written in 1975 by civil servant Israel Koenig, the Interior Ministry’s official in charge of the Galilee, to alter the demographic balance of the region in favor of the Jews. The recommendations were rejected by then Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin, denounced by senior Cabinet ministers and rued by then foreign minister Yigal Alon who expressed great regret that the recommendations were ever written. It provoked controversy within Israel after being leaked to Al Hamishmar, the publication of Israel’s Marxist party, Mapam. Koenig’s recommendations included expanding and strengthening Israel’s Jewish presence in the Galilee, applying legal consequences to Arabs expressing hostility toward the state and Zionism, enforcing tax collection from the Arab sector, cutting family subsidies to Arabs with large families, eliminating preferential acceptance of Arabs into Israeli universities, channeling Arab students into studying the physical and natural sciences rather than humanities, and encouraging young Arabs to study abroad and emigrate. As controversial as Koenig’s proposals were at the time, however, there was absolutely no suggestion of using "terror," "assassination," "intimidation" or "land confiscations."

Summary: Fabricated quote, false source

Robert Fisk

According to Fisk’s article:

[Arafat] is chastised by George Bush while his people are bestialised by the Israeli leadership. Rafael Eytan [sic], the former Israeli chief of staff, used to talk of the Palestinians as "cockroaches in a glass jar". Menachem Begin called them “two-legged beasts”…

These quotes appear on numerous anti-Israel Web sites, raising the question of whether Fisk obtained his information on one of the sites that share his agenda. While there is some truth to these quotes, they are either distorted or taken out of context.

Investigation--Example 1: Fisk suggests that Eitan routinely referred to the Palestinians as “cockroaches” He states this as fact, giving no source, but other internet sites refer to an April 13, 1983 article by Gad Becker in the Israeli daily, Yediot Ahronot. This original source of the quote, however, indicates that Eitan’s comment was atypical, made in specific reference to Arab violence. According to Becker, this “uncharacteristic”(as he puts it) and controversial comment was made by outgoing Chief of Staff Eitan during a discussion of how best to deal with Arab violence in the West Bank. In responding to suggestions by Knesset members that the army should stop stone throwers by shooting at their feet or throwing stones back, Eitan reportedly said:

The Arabs will never win over us by throwing stones. Our response must be a nationalist Zionist response. For every stone that’s thrown–we will build ten settlements. If 100 settlements will exist–and they will–between Nablus and Jerusalem, stones will not be thrown. If this will be the situation, then the Arabs will only be able to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle.

Summary: A single (albeit controversial) remark made in a specific context is misrepresented as a generalized, routine slur by an Israeli leader

Investigation--Example 2: Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute this derogation of Palestnians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:

Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:

For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.

On June 8, 1982, Begin addressed the Knesset in response to a no-confidence motion over Israel's invasion of Lebanon. He talked about defending the children of Israel, and according to a June 9, 1982 AP report, “his voice quaver[ed] with anger and sadness.” According to the minutes of the session, Begin stated:

The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.

Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception.

Summary: Distortion by an Israeli critic of a Begin speech discussing terrorism and terrorists.

Can you post a link, please? We all know your reputation for using Zionist sources, Hate Sites, and sources known for their pechant for deception.

How many times does it need to be said that we went to the original sources?

Re: the Ben Gurion quote.I happen to have the book in front of me. It says

From page 5. "the land belonged to those prepared to work it and develop it, and it was immoral to deny a dynamic people the opportunity to better the country through its own labors. We have the right to build and be built in Palestine; we will win the country by building it..." These were the credos he etched in Zionist doctrine."

"...the Arab community in Palestine is an organic, inseparable part of the landscape. It is embedded in the country. The Arabs work the land and will remain. Ben Gurion even held that the Arabs had full rights in Palestine, "since the only right by which a people can claim to possess a land indefinitely is the right conferred by the willingness to work"

p. 28 With the help of the Jews, the Arabs would prosper.... "We are building and revitalizing the country, wrote Ben Gurion...We will win the land through its reclaimation, and our renewal in this land will come through hhe renemwal of the land itself, and that means the renewal of its Arab inhabitants."

How do you reconcile these with the false ben Gurion quotes from above?

I'll have to see for myself. Once again, you are not a reliable source.

Why'd you lie about Hamas?

Go to the library and get the book.
Lie about Hamas? I haven't said a word about Hamas.
I'm just tired of seeing the same quotes that were proven fraudulent appearing and reappearing over teh web.
Here's another I debunked, btw

"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the
non-Jew by the Jewish group.The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and
on the antagonism it has forever met in the world... the root cause is their
use of enemies they create in order to keep solidarity...". This quote has been attributed to Einstein.

Its no surprise that this end up on places like "whitefreespeech.com",
rense, etc.

Having read the originial Collier's article, I can tell you that its another false quote.
What Einstein said was "The formation of groups has an invigorating effect
in all spheres of humabn striving, perhaps mostly due to the struggle
between the convictions and aims represented by different groups. The Jews
too form such a group with a definite character of its own, and
anti-semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the
non-Jews by the Jewish group "

He goes on to say what unites the Jewish people:

"The bond that unites the Jews for thousands of years and unites them today
is, above all, the democractic ideal of social justice, coupled with the
idea of mutual aid and tolerance among all men. ..."

When you see something repeated so often, you assume
it is true. It isn't always the case. Going to the original source is always
a good policy- plus, it provides all important CONTEXT and meaning.

The article translates a lovely prayer from hebrew " Be thou with the
afflicted who flee away from the cruelty of the oppressor. Quench the
passions of fanatacism and hatred. Plant in their stead the feelings of love
and brotherhood"

Yep. Thats what we say about our enemies when they aren't around.

Source- the US federal budget.