A Call To Arms by Jihad 8:24am Wed Oct 11 '00 A call to arms in support of Palestine print article I ask all Arabs and Palestinian sympathizers in the Middle East who understand the suffering of the Palestinian people to blockade all Israeli installations in the Middle East. Israel, the same nation who claimed to be victims of fascist agression during World War II are themselves fascist. I call on all Islamic nations to mobilise for a jihad against Israel add your comments

A Call To Arms by Jihad 8:24am Wed Oct 11 '00 A call to arms in support of Palestine print article I ask all Arabs and Palestinian sympathizers in the Middle East who understand the suffering of the Palestinian people to blockade all Israeli installations in the Middle East. Israel, the same nation who claimed to be victims of fascist agression during World War II are themselves fascist. I call on all Islamic nations to mobilise for a jihad against Israel add your comments

Censorship by Shawn 8:31pm Wed Oct 11 '00 print comment Censorship of anykind is inappropiate. To consider some words evil while trying to protect others from their affect is a dangerous precedent for indymedia. How are we to know what has been censored and what has been allowed to pass? add your comments

Censorship by Shawn 8:31pm Wed Oct 11 '00 print comment Censorship of anykind is inappropiate. To consider some words evil while trying to protect others from their affect is a dangerous precedent for indymedia. How are we to know what has been censored and what has been allowed to pass? add your comments

Fanaticism-Induced mental convulsions by Eyal Rozenberg 8:47pm Wed Oct 11 '00 address: 1st Haim Hazaz St., Haifa phone: 053-869130 eyalroz@mad.scientist.com print comment That comment about a Jihad is exactly the same kind of extatic religious babble which motivates the Jewish settlers in the 1967-occupied territories. You spend years trying to convince people to listen to the other side of the story, to become sensitive to the plight of the opressed, and then one of these boneheads comes along crying 'Jihad!', or dropping boulders on people's cars on the freeway, or replacing some fake Jewish saint's grave with a mosque - which only diminishes the positive effect a mass uprising by the palestinian people can have, and provides excuses for those Judeo-Nazi police and army forces to keep their guns blazing. add your comments

Fanaticism-Induced mental convulsions by Eyal Rozenberg 8:47pm Wed Oct 11 '00 address: 1st Haim Hazaz St., Haifa phone: 053-869130 eyalroz@mad.scientist.com print comment That comment about a Jihad is exactly the same kind of extatic religious babble which motivates the Jewish settlers in the 1967-occupied territories. You spend years trying to convince people to listen to the other side of the story, to become sensitive to the plight of the opressed, and then one of these boneheads comes along crying 'Jihad!', or dropping boulders on people's cars on the freeway, or replacing some fake Jewish saint's grave with a mosque - which only diminishes the positive effect a mass uprising by the palestinian people can have, and provides excuses for those Judeo-Nazi police and army forces to keep their guns blazing. add your comments

Palestinian Free State Now! by Jihad 7:52am Thu Oct 12 '00 address: Melbourne, Australia print comment This Jihad speaking. To Eyal Rozenberg, while my comments may seem to inflame an already tense situation I feel it is necessary to speak against the GOVERNMENT of Israel. My family fled Palestine and had to come all the way to Australia. Relatives of mine were among those massacred in the 1982 Chatila Refugee Camps in Lebanon. We cannot forget. Israel should keep most of its land but at the very least we should get back all 1967 conquests. I am not calling for the destruction of Israel, rather I am calling for the destruction of the current Israeli government. To Shawn thankyou for acknowledging that I have the right to free speech. It would not bother me in the least if an Israeli or a Jew was to make comments directed against palestinians. Indymedia is a forum for free speech no matter what form it takes To Ahmed, I understand that my call for Jihad will give support in Israel to nationalists opposed to peace. That is part of the risk the Palestinian people must take. No one ever became "free" without risks and sacrifices. I look forward to the day that I will be able to return to a middle east in which Palestine and Israel exist side by side. I just cannot see it happening in my lifetime though. The whole world ignores our plight add your comments

Palestinian Free State Now! by Jihad 7:52am Thu Oct 12 '00 address: Melbourne, Australia print comment This Jihad speaking. To Eyal Rozenberg, while my comments may seem to inflame an already tense situation I feel it is necessary to speak against the GOVERNMENT of Israel. My family fled Palestine and had to come all the way to Australia. Relatives of mine were among those massacred in the 1982 Chatila Refugee Camps in Lebanon. We cannot forget. Israel should keep most of its land but at the very least we should get back all 1967 conquests. I am not calling for the destruction of Israel, rather I am calling for the destruction of the current Israeli government. To Shawn thankyou for acknowledging that I have the right to free speech. It would not bother me in the least if an Israeli or a Jew was to make comments directed against palestinians. Indymedia is a forum for free speech no matter what form it takes To Ahmed, I understand that my call for Jihad will give support in Israel to nationalists opposed to peace. That is part of the risk the Palestinian people must take. No one ever became "free" without risks and sacrifices. I look forward to the day that I will be able to return to a middle east in which Palestine and Israel exist side by side. I just cannot see it happening in my lifetime though. The whole world ignores our plight add your comments

I am not calling for war by Jihad 8:04am Thu Oct 12 '00 address: Melbourne, Australia print comment This is Jihad again. My comments are not intended to inspire Palestinians to grab an automatic rifle and kill the first Israeli they see. I deliberately included the reference to israeli installations in order to promote the idea of blockading Israeli embassies and consulates around the world. The "call to arms" which has been posted around the world on most Indymedia sites by me, is a call for a mobilisation of protestors to protest excessive agression in Palestine. The call for jihad is not necessarily a call for war but a call for mobilisation of people Palestinian and non-Palestinian who regard Israel's actions as a step backward for the peace process. War will only mean invasion of Israel by Islamic countries who show little support for the Palestinian cause and this will undoubtedly harm both Israelis and Palestinians. I believe in peace add your comments

I am not calling for war by Jihad 8:04am Thu Oct 12 '00 address: Melbourne, Australia print comment This is Jihad again. My comments are not intended to inspire Palestinians to grab an automatic rifle and kill the first Israeli they see. I deliberately included the reference to israeli installations in order to promote the idea of blockading Israeli embassies and consulates around the world. The "call to arms" which has been posted around the world on most Indymedia sites by me, is a call for a mobilisation of protestors to protest excessive agression in Palestine. The call for jihad is not necessarily a call for war but a call for mobilisation of people Palestinian and non-Palestinian who regard Israel's actions as a step backward for the peace process. War will only mean invasion of Israel by Islamic countries who show little support for the Palestinian cause and this will undoubtedly harm both Israelis and Palestinians. I believe in peace add your comments

Right! but really? by Malte Forstat 2:00am Thu Jan 1 '70 print comment I don't support the above in it's extremity (i.e. the call for a jihad on Israel), but on the matter of what 50 years on top can do to a people is very interesting, isn't it? I would be tha last one to compare what the Israelis are doing with the Shoah, but it does show that when you have made it up from all the way down, one tends to forget where you came from. And as one is there now, it is part of the "good tone" to kling on to that power with EVERY means neccesary... add your comments

Right! but really? by Malte Forstat 2:00am Thu Jan 1 '70 print comment I don't support the above in it's extremity (i.e. the call for a jihad on Israel), but on the matter of what 50 years on top can do to a people is very interesting, isn't it? I would be tha last one to compare what the Israelis are doing with the Shoah, but it does show that when you have made it up from all the way down, one tends to forget where you came from. And as one is there now, it is part of the "good tone" to kling on to that power with EVERY means neccesary... add your comments

What is meant by Jihad? by IMC-Israel editorial group 2:00am Thu Jan 1 '70 indymedia@indymedia.org.il print comment It should be understood that it is the policy of IMC-Israel not to allow any advocation or incitement to violence on our website. We at IMC are against censorship of ideas, but knowingly false and slanderous statements or incitement to violence, will not be allowed on the IMC site. However, because the meaning of Jihad has both a cultural and a military component, and because the understanding of Jihad in this instance is somewhat ambivilant (calling for a blocking of Israeli installations is not necessarily violent), we will leave this statement as is. It should, nonetheless, be explicitly understood that any statement that does explicitly advocate violence, by any side in the conflict, will be removed immediately from the IMC site. Best Wishes IMC-Editoral Group indymedia.org.il add your comments

What is meant by Jihad? by IMC-Israel editorial group 2:00am Thu Jan 1 '70 indymedia@indymedia.org.il print comment It should be understood that it is the policy of IMC-Israel not to allow any advocation or incitement to violence on our website. We at IMC are against censorship of ideas, but knowingly false and slanderous statements or incitement to violence, will not be allowed on the IMC site. However, because the meaning of Jihad has both a cultural and a military component, and because the understanding of Jihad in this instance is somewhat ambivilant (calling for a blocking of Israeli installations is not necessarily violent), we will leave this statement as is. It should, nonetheless, be explicitly understood that any statement that does explicitly advocate violence, by any side in the conflict, will be removed immediately from the IMC site. Best Wishes IMC-Editoral Group indymedia.org.il add your comments

Jih???? by Ahmed 2:00am Thu Jan 1 '70 print comment Calling for "Jihad" ?? Sick of your religious binarism and stupidity. It reflects sionist binarism that reflects anti-jewish binarism etc.etc. Moreover you'll confirm sionist and israelian nationalist in their need to see arab people and palestinians as a representation of nazis. And if arab=nazis then being "weak" (for example making a peace based on justice and international law and giving back occupied territories) is considered (more or less) as collaboration with the great enemy and seen as a threat to the existence of the "tribe". So it justify the "unity" even for an apartheid policy and policies that serves US interest and multinational oil and arm companies... If you want a "jihad" start doing it against your own binarism. Israel milirarism, in a high concentration of nationalism and hate, is doing a "jihad" now. All human being have to react, for palestinians, for isrealians, for arabs, for human being, for women, for kids being massacred, for social, water and land justice. add your comments

Jih???? by Ahmed 2:00am Thu Jan 1 '70 print comment Calling for "Jihad" ?? Sick of your religious binarism and stupidity. It reflects sionist binarism that reflects anti-jewish binarism etc.etc. Moreover you'll confirm sionist and israelian nationalist in their need to see arab people and palestinians as a representation of nazis. And if arab=nazis then being "weak" (for example making a peace based on justice and international law and giving back occupied territories) is considered (more or less) as collaboration with the great enemy and seen as a threat to the existence of the "tribe". So it justify the "unity" even for an apartheid policy and policies that serves US interest and multinational oil and arm companies... If you want a "jihad" start doing it against your own binarism. Israel milirarism, in a high concentration of nationalism and hate, is doing a "jihad" now. All human being have to react, for palestinians, for isrealians, for arabs, for human being, for women, for kids being massacred, for social, water and land justice. add your comments